Shari Thurow Talking Smack about Eye Tracking?

You know, if I didn't know better I'd say that Shari Thurow had issues with me and eye tracking. I ran across a column a couple of weeks ago where she was talking about the niches that SEO's are carving out for themselves and she mentioned eye tracking specifically. In fact she devoted a whole section to eye tracking. Now, it's pretty hard not to take it personally when Enquiro is the only search marketing company I know that does extensive eye tracking. We're the only ones I'm aware of that have eye tracking equipment in-house. So when Shari singles out eye tracking and warns about using the results in isolation...

That brings me to my favorite group of SEO specialists: search usability professionals. As much as I read and admire their research, they, too, often don't focus on the big picture.

...I'm not sure who else she might be talking about.

I've been meaning to post on this for awhile but I just didn't get around to it. I'm on the road today and feeling a little cranky so what the heck. It's time to respond in kind. First, here's Shari's take on on eye tracking and SEO.

Eye-tracking data is always fascinating to observe on a wide variety of Web pages, including SERPs (define). As a Web developer, I love eye-tracking data to let me know how well I'm drawing visitors' attention to the appropriate calls to action for each page type.

Nonetheless, eye-tracking data can be deceiving. Most search marketers understand the SERP's prime viewing area, which is in the shape of an "F." Organic or natural search results are viewed far more often than search engine ads are, and (as expected) top, above-the-fold results are viewed more often than the lower, below-the-fold results. Viewing a top listing in a SERP isn't the same as clicking that link and taking the Web site owner's desired call to action.

Remember, usability testing isn't the same as focus groups and eye tracking. Focus groups measure peoples' opinions about a product or service. Eye-tracking data provide information about where people focus their visual attention. Usability testing is task-oriented. It measures whether participants complete a desired task. If the desired task isn't completed, the tests often reveal the many roadblocks to task completion.

Eye-tracking tests used in conjunction with usability tests and Web analytics analysis can reveal a plethora of accurate information about search behavior. But eye-tracking tests used in isolation yield limited information, just as Web analytics and Web positioning data yield limited (and often erroneous) information.

Okay Shari, you didn't mention me or Enquiro by name but again, who else would you be talking about?

Actually, Shari and I agree more than we disagree here. I agree that no single data source or research or testing approach provides all the answers, including eye tracking. However, eye tracking data adds an extraordinarily rich layer of data to common usability testing. When Shari says eye tracking is not the same as usability testing, she's only half right. As Shari points out, eye tracking combines very well with usability testing but in many cases, can be overkill. Usability testing is task oriented. There's no reason why eye tracking studies can't be task oriented as well (most of ours are). The eye tracking equipment we use is very unobtrusive. It virtually like interacting with any computer in a usability lab. In usability testing you put someone in front of the computer with the task and asked them to complete the task. Typically you record the entire interaction with software such as TechSmith's Morae. After you can replay the session and watch where the cursor goes. Eye tracking can capture all that, plus capture where the eyes went. It's like taking a two dimensional test and suddenly making it three-dimensional. Everything you do in usability can also be done with eye tracking.

The fact is, the understanding we currently have of interaction with the search results would be impossible to know without eye tracking. I'd like to think that a lot of our current understanding of interaction with search results comes from the extensive eye tracking testing we've done on the search results page. The facts that Shari says are common knowledge among search marketers comes, in large part, from our work with eye tracking. And we're not the only ones. Cornell and Microsoft have done their own eye tracking studies, as has Jakob Nielsen, and findings have been remarkably similar. I've actually talked to the groups responsible for these other eye tracking tests and we've all learned from each other.

When Enquiro produced our studies we took a deep dive into the data that we collected. I think we did an excellent job at not presenting just the top level findings but really tried to create an understanding of what the interaction with the search results page looks like. Over the course of the last two years I've talked to Google, Microsoft and Yahoo. I've shared the findings of our research and learned a little bit more about the findings of their own internal research. I think, on the whole, we know a lot more about how people interact with search than we did two years ago, thanks in large part to eye tracking technology. The big picture Shari keeps alluding to has broadened and been colored much more extensively thanks to those studies. And Enquiro has tried to share that information as much as possible. I don't know of anyone else in the search marketing world who's done more to help marketers understand how people interact with search. When we released our first study, Shari wrote a previous column that basically said, "Duh, who didn't know this before?" Well, based on my discussions with hundreds, actually, thousands of people, almost everyone, save for a few usability people at each of the main engines.

There are some dangers with eye tracking. Perhaps the biggest danger is that heat maps are so compelling visually. People tend not to go any further. The Golden Triangle image has been displayed hundreds, if not thousands of times, since we first released it. It's one aggregate snapshot of search activity. And perhaps this is what Shari's referring to. If so, I agree with her completely. This one snapshot can be deceiving. You need to do a really deep dive into the data to understand all the variations that can take place. But it's not the methodology of eye tracking that's at fault here. It's people's unwillingness to roll up their sleeves and weed through the amount of data that comes with eye tracking, preferring instead to stop at those colorful heat maps and not go any further. Conclusions on limited data can be dangerous, no matter the methodology behind them. I actually said the same for an eye tracking study Microsoft did that had a few people drawing overly simplified conclusions. The same is true for usability testing, focus groups, quantitative analysis, you name it. I really don't believe Enquiro is guilty of doing this. That's why we released reports that are a couple hundred pages in length, trying to do justice to the data we collected.

Look, eye tracking is a tool, a very powerful one. And I don't think there's any other tool I've run across that can provide more insight into search experience, when it's used with a well designed study. Personally, if you want to learn more about how people interact with engines, I don't think there's any better place to start than our reports. And it's not just me saying so. I've heard as much from hundreds of people who have bought them, including representatives at every major search engine (they all have corporate licenses, as well as a few companies you might have heard of, IBM, HP, Xerox..to name a few). I know the results pages you see at each of the major engines look the way they do in part because of our studies.

Shari says we don't focus on the big picture. Shari, you should know that you can't see the big picture until you fill in the individual pieces of the puzzle. That's what we've been trying to do. I only wish more people out there followed our example.


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by Gord knows who at 3/15/2007 9:54 AM

Shari's opinion is one of the most over-rated in the industry. In a previous position, I was in charge of a very large SEO budget, and eager to outsource. I went to SES specifically to meet Shari, because her company was geographically close to our's, and she seemed like th perfect fit... until I met her. When bloggers discuss the SEO elite, her face comes to mind first. Shari, get over yourself. You're clearly intelligent, insightful, and you write reasonably interesting articles, but you're not the second coming, and you're not the female version of Danny. It amazes me that someone as enveloped in the space could imagine talking smack about eyetracking. It's easily one of the most insightful pieces of data I've seen in a very long time. Of all people, she should know that.
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by Joan Treistman at 3/15/2007 1:39 PM

As a person who has been working with eye tracking over 30 years I'm pleased to see so much agreement as to its "power". What I've always loved about eye tracking is the fact that it is what it is...a documentation of visual involvement. However, its strength as a research tool is derived from where and how it is applied and of course the analysis. Eye tracking is a valuable tool when it is a component of research designed for the evaluation of websites, advertising, packages, signage, direct mail and other visual communications material. You are bringing thought leadership to search engine knowledge through your research. Accordingly, I see that there are "truths" and guidelines you wish to convey. I've traveled that road to some extent, but more often been around those who are trying to break the rules. So the research I have designed tends to be characterized as more tactical, constructive and more directly connected to sales. It depends on knowing the context in which the material functions. But ultimately effective utilization of eye tracking is dependent on experience and expertise. That translates in to setting up the research appropriately and knowing what out put is relevant and how to analyze it.

Here's what I tell my colleagues and clients about eye tracking and our approach, which integrates the technology with other techniques and professional interpretation into one product, which we call OptiMARCsm...

A technician can provide an X-Ray, but it takes a specialist to interpret the findings to uncover any problems and recommend a course of action. Similarly, a technician can record eye movements and show what data was collected. But OptiMARCsm provides the knowledge to interpret the data and integrate it with verbal in-depth interviewing. Hence the results are insightful, constructive and actionable, answering the three key research questions: What? So what? Now what?

Joan Treistman, EVP, MARC Research
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by Cory at 3/16/2007 2:23 PM

Joan, what many of us believe intuitively you have expressed here so eloquently. Eye-tracking is a tool (a powerful one, but a tool nonetheless) and the strength comes from how you present and analyze that dynamic set of data. Shari, we all bring something different to the table, it shouldn't concern you that you may not know it all.
Gravatar # re: Shari Thurow Talking Smack about Eye Tracking?
by Greg Scowen at 3/17/2007 6:06 AM

Wow... you must really have been having a bad day.

I had never heard of Shari Thurow before reading this. Mind you, I had never heard of Gord Hotchkiss either, so I was blessed with an impartial manner as I consumed this lot.

I see absolutely no fault in what Shari has written. She has in no way attacked you, or eye-tracking. In fact it is clear by her writing that Shari supports eye-tracking as a tool to be used in conjunction with others. I have to agree.

It seems to me Gord that you have taken this post of hers to heart. You presume that you are the most important person to have been involved in eye-tracking and this is an attack on you, yet you go on to list other organisations and individuals that have gone before you. I have read plenty of eye-tracking while at university, none of it was your work.

Furthermore, as you discuss what eye-tracking can entail...
"In usability testing you put someone in front of the computer with the task and asked them to complete the task. Typically you record the entire interaction with software such as TechSmith's Morae. After you can replay the session and watch where the cursor goes. Eye tracking can capture all that, plus capture where the eyes went. "
You are actually only confirming that eye-tracking is something to compliment usability testing, which ironically is exactly what Shari has stated.

I really don't think you are on opposite teams here. This whole argument seems to be a case of semantics to me.

As stated by Shari, and agreed by me: "Eye-tracking tests used in conjunction with usability tests and Web analytics analysis can reveal a plethora of accurate information about search behavior."

As an aside: Your Blog contains black writing (headers) and dark blue links on a charcoal background. This violates one of the most fundamental rules of Usability 101. Furthermore, I find it most disappointing that you quoted so much of someone else's article yet failed to have the courtesy to link to it, forcing me to search for it with Google. Not too usable?
Gravatar # re: Shari Thurow Talking Smack about Eye Tracking?
by Gord at 3/17/2007 7:07 AM

For the record Greg, I did link to Shari's column, in the standard way, with a blue underlined text link, in the appropriate place.
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by Greg Scowen at 3/17/2007 2:55 PM

You are right Gord, I stand corrected. I have now found the link with the text 'a column'. I should have seen that sooner.
# SearchCap: The Day In Search, March 15, 2007
by Yayki Blog at 3/17/2007 5:25 PM

Below is what happened in search today, as reported on Search Engine Land and from other places across
Gravatar  re: Shari Thurow Talking Smack about Eye Tracking?
by Shari Thurow at 3/28/2007 7:24 AM

Note: I posted this on Shari's behalf as I inadvertently had comments to shut off after 5 days. That's since been fixed -- Gord

Hi Gord-

Oh, how unfair! Closing the topic before I even had a chance to reply.

First and foremost, I never meant to criticize Gord and his research. No no no. I am a Gord Hotchkiss fan. I send people to listen to your sessions all of the time. I send people to read your materials. No no no. Shari Thurow is a die-hard Gord Hotchkiss fan.

That being said, I do not think you should safely assume that you are the only search professional who utilizes eye-tracking software as part of your work. That is a rather broad, and erroneous, assumption. I've been using it for years and am about to purchase some new software and computers that I like better.

My point of the article was to get people to focus on the big picture. As I try to break up my columns into sections for easier reading and scanning, I came up with 3 groups of people who I find to not focus on the big picture. They get hung up on details. A lot of eye-tracking folks (not all of them) get hung up on that data.

I'm not saying that data isn't important (it is), but it does need to be put into perspective with all of the other available data. Just like eye tracking to determine where eyes go on a Web page (I use eye tracking for Web page design -- have done so for years.)

I didn't insult your work. I think you took it too personally.

I think a lot of people, however, became obsessed with this Golden Triangle and became even more obsessed with positioning, more so than they needed to be.

Now, a couple of comments about a specific comment. Quit telling me (comment person who decided to purchase a rude and unprofessional domain) to get over myself. I have a sign over my desk that makes that very statement. I usability test all of the time. I train a lot. I am perfectly aware that my opinion does not matter in a usability test. It's the participants' opinions and task completions that matter. That is why I enjoy usability testing so much, and that is why I am pursuing this area in my graduate work.

The female version of Danny? What the F***? Your words, not mine. Danny is a dear friend and colleague. Danny is a journalist. I am a Web developer/computer interface designer.

For you, and Gord, to think I talked smack? Oh, please. Calm down (initial reactions tend to be emotional, anyway) and really read what I had to say. I said to keep eye-tracking data in perspective. I did not "smack" it.

I use eye-tracking software and computers. Have used it for years for all types of Web pages (product, category, etc.) And yes, even search results pages. Gord, you are not the only usability professional in the industry. I specialize specifically in search usability, and even was granted the trademark for the term. My approach is focused on search-friendly interfaces. And guess what? I use eye-tracking software as part of my research.

Please, gentlemen and ladies. I write articles and say things to encourage forum and blog discussions, as it is part of my job. But if you have a question? Just ask me. I do not bite. I might disagree with you, but who learns when everyone agrees with each other?

I see little or no need to be rude and unprofessional.

Still a Gord Hotchkiss fan,
Shari
Gravatar # re: Shari Thurow Talking Smack about Eye Tracking?
by AndyEd at 4/10/2007 5:53 AM

Hey Gord,

For the record, Microsoft Research does a fair bit of eyetracking work on search (Ed Cutrell, et al.) and, now that I've departed from MSN Search, I joining the fray with my own lab and eye-tracker for a e-commerce focused company.

I'll be speaking at the Web 2.0 conference on understanding user behavior at scale and how to mix methods from enterprise level data to the usability lab. Triangulation is key.

-Andy

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